East Carolina athletics director Terry Holland Friday contacted Pirate fans by email.
Most of the Conference USA school's fans would like for the Pirates emerge from any widespread conference shakeup as a member of the Big East.
In his letter, Holland said the Big East's fate is uncertain. He did mention the possibility that league member Villanova could move up a notch in football competition, which would give the Big East a much-needed ninth football playing school.
-- Caulton Tudor
Friday, June 11, 2010
ECU's Holland emails fans about realignment
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No conference wants the Pirates. No TV market, step sister to the ACC teams and App. State in N.C. and sorry Olympic sports.
Yeah, no one want them because of their tv market. I would imagine if they are the 2nd largest undergrad school in NC and their coaches show is on in charlotte, raleigh, and gso then they consider that TV market. Obviously you've never been to ECU who consistently sells out their large stadium. They would be 3rd in attendance if they were already in the Big East.
as far as Olympics, what a bad statement on your part. Ever heard of Leshawn Merritt? ECU is building one of the largest on campus Olympic sports centers in the US smartguy. Jealous much?
SEC is reported to be focusing on Texas AM, Missouri, Virginia Tech and ECU. Their feeling is ACC football is so anemic they can take over the states of North Carolina and Virginia no matter which team they take (except UNC ask Mack Brown), Texas AM opens up the Texas market, and Missouri opens the St Louis & Kansas City market. This will give them two pick ups in the East & West.
EZU will be lucky to stay a bowl sub-division team when this is all said and done. The only time they sell out is when an ACC team comes to town. Not even the CUSA championship game was close to a sell-out. The only way any conference would consider adding them is to have a perennial whipping boy in the ranks.
The Charlotte 49ers are more likely than ECU to wind up in the Big East. They would already be there if they had football in 2005.
No offense to ECU, but they lack the tv market all these conferences are looking for.
Selling out your schools stadium used to be important but being in the right TV market matters a lot more these days. Just look at BC, they bring in less fans to their home games than ECU, and I mean way less, but because there in the right TV market they still make more money for the ACC than ECU could ever do for whatever conference they join. Bringing butts to seats means less these days than the potential TV revenue conferences can make if they choose the right TV market.
I have no doubt that the quality of ECU's football program could hang in the Big East. Hell, they're probably ahead of Syracuse and UConn already. The problem is that quality of play makes no difference in the conference re-alignment, it's all about money. ECU has a strong local following, but almost nothing nationally.
If it were about quality of football then ECU would move into a BCS conference and App St. would move into the FBS, but unfortunately neither will happen because they don't generate enough revenue.
Long time Pirate fan,slap us all you want, but anything would be better then CUSA. Unfortunately the bball team has been so lousy for so long that we can't get anyone to take us in until it improves. But our football program is good enough to move up. All you haters can kiss my purple and gold...
ECU is America's team. Everyone loves the Pirates! I have found this to be fact in my travels around the country.
When in the heck is the CHARLOTTE Observer going to talk about the CHARLOTTE 49ers?
I understand that this paper is a nothing more than a marketing arm of the ACC, but now we are talking ECU?
I don't care what the article says, I am one of the 70k alumni of UNC Charlotte that live in the Charlotte region and I would like to get some investigation into what the local Division I school that is starting a football program is planning on.
I am still laughing hysterically at the person who said that there is a rumor that the SEC wants ECU. Please tell me that you are kidding. Why in the heck would the SEC want ECU? They would gain absolutely NOTHING from adding them to the mix. That is about the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
This will either be the best thing that could happen for ECU or the worst thing that could happen. As a Pirate I'm hoping the best. So sad some folks don't see the value of ECU. Greenville is not what it used to be, and our alums are very much a big part of all the south east. Someone said we only sell out games we play the ACC, not entirely true. In regards to the championship game, not sure the last time the ACC sold out their championship game. And, well the last time I checked the ACC teams around here can't even sell out for ACC games. Says a lot about their fine football programs. Needless to say some are very fortunate to have a conferences that has local rivalries, and games that actually matter. That is something ECU would not take for granted, as others already do.
Speaking as a Gamecock fan in Raleigh (with season tickets for 20 years), I would LOVE for ECU to join the SEC. It gets us into the NC market with a school that cares about football, and it is in easy driving distance of SC.
But I don't think it will happen.
Overall having ECU in any BCS conference would be good for our state. I guess the thing why many are scared is because ECU could become the flagship football school in this state. As Duke fan, I have had Carolina and State grads / fans / coworkers express this to me and others especially if ECU gets into a conference like the SEC or even the Big East.
From the list of anonymous haters on here you can tell ECU has been kicking ACC and SEC butt. ECU pretty much owns the state east of Raleigh and has a very loyal following. They go to bowl games in bigger numbers than the other schools in the region. They even fill up the Panthers stadium on occasion.
Sooner or later a BCS conference will pick them up and laugh all the way to the bank.
God, you people are uninformed. ECU did seel out their conference championship, but remember it was miserable freezing weather so many were hunkered under the stands. So you say ECU only sells out ACC games?!! They have sold out entire seasons in recent years.
As far as you TV markets. All of the tidewater and major cities in NC are the TV market. The coaches shows are on in these markets, also all the papers in these markets have an ECU section alongside their ACC sections. Did anyone see the rating on ECU's bowl game this year, it blew away some very large bowl games with BCS teams, very , very high rating.
It is the best football atmosphere in NC hands down.I have been to games at every university in the past few years. Have any of you haters been to Greenville? I talked to an NCSU fan about coming down this year and he said even though he is a State fan he is amazed at game day down there. Look up Sorensons article from when he visited for the UNC game a few years ago. This is about things like new markets and ECU BRINGS A NEW MARKET. You all just hate and cannot back up your arguments at all.
UCF and Memphis will be invited long before ECU. Temple and Villanova are also candidates before the Big East would consider ECU. Do not be delusional my pirate friends.
This is a Terry Holland waving a white flag saying he has tried everything he can but could not get ECU into a BCS conference.
UCF and Memphis will be invited long before ECU. Temple and Villanova are also candidates before the Big East would consider ECU. Do not be delusional my pirate friends.
This is a Terry Holland waving a white flag saying he has tried everything he can but could not get ECU into a BCS conference.
EZU is small time and will always be. Just accept it and move on.
UCF is 1-8 against ECU and live in the middle of an oversaturated market. Memephis is a basketball school and their football team struggles ot rank in the top 100. Football drives this and ECU is a better fit than both those schools. Temple got kicked out of the BE because of their attendance figures, they will not get back in. So the BE will bank on Villanova moving up from FBS.....dumbest statement yet.
As a SC fan I would welcome the NC market and what would be a good team with more money. Plus I could see more games without driving all over the SE.
http://www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/us_hh_by_dma.asp
Check out hte TV rankings. Kinda silly that ECU ranks ahead of Gainesville, and both Miss SEC schools. As we all know, well I guess some of you don't, that tv markets extend outside of the immediate schools city. Pure genius. ECU's tv market is not a problem with the 7th fastest growing state in the country and the fact they are the 3rd largest school in NC with the 2nd largest undergrad enrollment.
Put the tv market argument to bed.
The Tarholes and Wolfpuppies are scared to death at the thought of ECU being in the ACC. Pirates are putting the finishing touches on a stadium expansion that will give it 50,000 seats. You can't tell me that football isn't big in Green-vegas. Put the Pirates in the ACC and they would be the premiere football program in the state of NC without a doubt. However, I agree with the tv market aspect. That's all that college sports is about now. It's the only reason why Boston College is even in the ACC.
I too have been to UNC, NCSU, Duke, and Wake Forest Games...none compare to the atmosphere in Greenville(for the size of the stadium App St. has great atmosphere as well. Do you know why none of the ECU haters have been to a ECU game in Greenville, becasue they cant get tickets. Its funny, the ncst/fsu game several years ago was on espn on a thursday night, i love any college football, so me and some friends drove up to Raleigh, the game was listed as a sell-out in the N&0, walked right up to the ticket window and we bought 3 tickets. when I asked the lady about the fact it was a sell out she said they report it like that alot, but very rarely actually have a sell out, usually numbers are heavily inflated. Show ECU equal money and all the NC schools will be quickly passed by.
As a SOUTH Carolina alum and fan, it would be great if ECU was in a BCS conference. Our games up in Greenville have been exciting and they always bring SEC numbers in terms of fans down to Columbia. Let's be honest, in North Carolina, East Carolina is the only true football school.
It is indeed very true what they say about, what are you two called again, the Wolfpuppies and Tarholes?
You two fan bases are truly ignorant when it comes to football and live in constant fear that your little brother to the East will someday become bigger than you and begin beating the snot out of you both for the spoiled little insecure brats that you are LOL!!
As an SEC supporter, wife went to UF and I went to Bama-roll tide, we would absolutely welcome the ECU program. Not saying it will end up happening, but living in the Triangle for years now, I can honestly say that ECU is the only true Football school in the state, and to many of your surprise does rival many SEC atmospheres from the tailgating and game day atmosphere. ECU would also not only bring great potential but also the North Carolina market and continue to seal up the East Coast.
Last point, if the SEC adds ECU, I would not view ECU as a schedule filler game, ECU brings a lot to the table. The past two years they had the game won in the liberty bowl but lost due to some back luck, the ball bouncing the wrong way as we all know happens in this wonderful game. I whole heartily believe ECU has the potential to become eventually a contender in the SEC. As far as recruits in NC, UNC and State could go ahead and kiss them good bye. If you were 18, would you rather play in a lame ACC conference where basketball is king for two schools like the Tarholes and Wolfpuppies, or play in the SEC for a great football program as in ECU?
Anyway, Go Bama and go SEC, the real Football conference!!
The only thing ECU and the SEC have in common is academics or should I say lack of academics. ECU is dead last (maybe next to last) in undergrad SAT and GPA statistics every year (of NC schools), so maybe they would fit in the SEC. Too bad market share is the main factor in expansion and not academics, because ECU would have definitely been in the discussion.
With all the haters, it is obvious schools in NC are scared of ECU getting on the same recruiting level. ECU is much like Baltimore, for years that City wanted a NFL franchise and finally got one and supports it fully. ECU just wants the ball too. It is just too funny to see people hate on a school that actually cares about football.
ECU has a football team? Who knew?
You do realize that if ECU joins another conference that might have to actually adhere to the same academic standards as other schools. That means no more non-qualifiers.
Oh, BTW, Daniel Evans kicked ECU's butt, IN GREENVILLE!!!
The Bama/Florida fan spoke the truth about ECU. ECU's been doing more with less for years. Has the best game day atmosphere in the state of NC by far. Give ECU the same opportunity and just see what happens. The tarhole and wolfpecker fans know what would happen, that's why they will fight like hell to hold ECU down like they have for years.
The fact that so many are taking time out of their day to disparage the Pirates tells me something - if ECU were matched up against SEC teams week-in and week-out, you'd be watching. Many of you would be pulling against us, others would be pulling for us as the underdog.
Either way, it would add up to decent TV ratings. Even some of you Heels fans might be watching, because you'd be free to pull for us without feeling disloyal to your team.
Look I like ECU and I think they have a heck of a football program. And I think they atleast have some kind of shot to get into the Big East. But the SEC and ACC? You are absolutely dreaming. As solid as ECU football has been over the years, the SEC is on another level. You wouldn't WANT to be in the SEC.. you would be 2-10 every year. And the SEC would not want you either. And in the ACC academics actually matter, so you can kiss that goodbye right now.
You can't talk about academics in the ACC when you have Florida State in it.
Compare the admissions of FSU to the admissions of ECU. It's not even remotely close. I'm not talking about athletes, talking about the overall student body.
EZU lost to the Heels last season, and have lost to State 3 games in a row when State had some of the worst teams in their history. There is no way EZU could be competitive in a real conference. I have been to games at every venue in the state and EZU is way down on the list in regards to atmosphere and crowd size. The only thing that makes a game in Greenville is the many quality lovely ladies that are so young and willing. Game day atmosphere in this state goes like this: NCSU, App. State, EZU, Wake, UNC-CH, Duke.
East Carolina
* Percent applicants admitted: 67%
Florida State
* Percent applicants admitted: 61%
WOW 6%
Haha thats not exactly what I was talking about. Take a look at things like SAT scores, GPA, class rank. Just some quick stats that jumped out at me.. a quarter of the students who get into ECU were not even in the top 50% of their high school graduating class (95% were at ECU). The Avg Sat score of an ECU admission was about 175 points lower then that of a FSU student in 06-07 (its probably more then that now since the SAT is out of 2400 points instead of 1600 like it was in the past). ECU is not even remotely close to the standards of FSU
Sorry there was a typo, I was trying to say 95% of those who got in FSU were in the top half of their high school class.
Mack Brown doesn't think the Carolina schools play real football. Their attendance is a joke. The four Carolina schools are what drags the ACC down to a C-USA level.
For the life of me, I do not understand the hateful comments about ECU. I love college FB and from what I see, there's a lot going on in Greenville.
Perhaps some of you haters are fearful of the recruiting advantage that would fall ECU's way if they were admitted to the SEC. What kid would not want to play in the conference that has won the last 4 or so national titles? And I believe ECU would do better than expected in the SEC. It would be nice to see the likes of Tennessee, Georgia and Alabama come to our state to play. What are you folks afraid of?
Nobody is afraid. You are absolutely insane if you think ECU has even a .01% chance of being admitted to the SEC. They don't. ECU has a nice, solid football program, you can argue the best football program in the state. The SEC is a different animal, ECU is not even on the edge of their radar. It's Big East or bus for ECU
I find it laughable at the comment constantly made about ECU and non-qualifiers. At ECU they are called non-qualifiers and at UNC and NCSU (as well as all the other BCS schools) they are called Prep school kids (e.g.- Hargrave, Fork Union, etc). Both groups are kids that didn't qualify to enroll right out of high school (read non-qualifiers), the only difference is ECU accepts them and makes them do a year of school work without any football and the Tarholes send them to a semester of playing football and study hall/crypt courses. It's all lipstick on a pig. Don't fool yourselves into thinking the BCS schools don't take non-qualifiers as well.
And regarding entrance GPA's and SAT's, give ECU all those extra millions of dollars of BCS money and they could probably get a little more selective as well with enrollment rather then taking larger numbers of tuition payers to offset state budget cuts.
That has nothing to do with it. UNCG and UNCW and Charlotte don't have football programs. App is a FCS football program. They are all much harder to get into then ECU
Try again, ECU was actually censured by the UNC system for allowing too many out of state kids to enroll b/c that was ECU's answer to offset funding cuts. Enroll more kids you can charge twice the tuition.
Harder to get into huh? Did you apply to all of them and only get into ECU to back up that statement... haha
Take a look at the stats buddy. I'm sorry ECU was the only school you can get into but they are one of the jokes of the UNC system.
I'll actually state the source unlike many of the other blowhards who post BS statistics off the top of their head.
site: satscores (dot) us
Acceptance rates of applicants:
UNCG 38%
UNCW 39%
ECU 40%
UNCC 41%
...and yes each school was within 20pts of each other (verbal, math).
Next question?
I'm really not surprised that the ECU guy doesn't understand those stats. The acceptance rates don't matter. I'm sure the acceptance rates of most colleges in America are about the same. The difference is the quality of those applying, and the quality of those that are accepted. The kid with a 2.5 GPA and a 870 SAT isn't applying to UNCW or Charlotte or App, he is applying to ECU. You did not probvide a link or source to show the numbers that matter.
I guess you didn't read the last sentence??
Same source has the info on SAT's
Actually, UNCC has the lowest SAT scores out of the schools mentioned.
If you want to compare another metric, look up the number of doctorate degrees offered among the schools mentioned (Hint: No comparison).
Next time check your facts before posting.
haha that website you tried to lead me to shows up as a threatening website. You are absolutely wrong, the avg SAT score of a UNCC student and that of a EZU student is not even close. And I hate UNCC but its just the facts
Must be a bunch of State or App fans here. ECU has a huge attendance at every game and needs to be in a better conf. If they were in a BSC conf Skip would have stuck around. I am still wondering why UNC will not come to Greenville to play them, seems the pretty boys are scared.
Listen there is no point in arguing this. The original point is that ECU and FSU are not even remotely close. ECU might be closer to schools like Charlotte and Greensboro then they are to FSU, but they are still ranked lower then them. As an ECU fan or grad there is no point in even arguing, because its just a question of how much lower you are then them.
Do you know how to operate a computer?
The website is satscores.us (note: .us NOT .com)
AGAIN, you keep making statements but you don't post a source to back it up.
AGAIN, how many doctorate degrees does ECU offer vs the other schools mentioned?
No Chance.
This is a NC newspaper. You keep bringing up FSU. NO ONE CARES ABOUT FSU.
Alright I was being nice before. ECU is a sad, miserable little school. It is the armpit of the UNC system. It is where the ditch diggers in this state go before they realize they are supposed to be ditch diggers. Good Luck
The guy who brought up FSU cares about FSU. The point is that even the lowest academic school in the ACC is miles above ECU, so there is no point in even thinking about ECU in the ACC.
Ditch diggers, eh? Maybe, your GF's ditch? \
You seem to be a little bitter.
What I can't understand is why you would waste your time reading and posting multiple times about a school you supposedly could care less about. Hmm?
Yawn.... you boys can argue about who's SAT score is 3 points higher all night long if you want to. Just please don't stop sending your daughter's and sister's down here to go to school at ECU. We love them so.
And after you have had your way with those ever so smart ECU girls, you can look forward to years of toilet cleaning or retail work
jeez, so much hatred. can't we just enjoy some football?
As already stated, based on academics, ECU is not a BCS quality school. Here are some statistics from collegeboard.com:
Middle 50% of freshman SAT Scores (% of top 50% in HS class)
UNCW: 1600 – 1860 (99%)
UNC: 1790 – 2090 (99%)
UNCC: 1450 – 1690 (84%)
UNCA: 1580 – 1900 (95%)
UNCP: 1230 – 1490 (64%)
ECU: 1410 – 1660 (81%)
NCS: 1590 – 1890 (99%)
App: 1580 – 1850 (93%)
UNCG: 1380 – 1670 (86%)
FSU: 1650 – 1920 (93%)
But they're ahead of Pembroke!
It's funny to see all you people throw out stats like it means something. If you ever took a statistic class, you would know it proves nothing and you are able manipulate the research for the numbers you want. I laugh if people think App State, UNC-W, UNC-C and UNC-G are strong schools. Leave NC and nobody has ever heard of these schools. ECU has a top medical school...top 10 for general medicine, top Physical Therapy, top Nursing program, top Education program and their business school is growing and getting better. By reading most of these comments, I'm willing to bet most of you are still in college at UNC-C, App State, UNC-W or UNC-G...sorry, but your school brings nothing to the table. I went to ECU for my undergraduate and medical school, then went to Georgetown for Orthopedics and now live in Charlotte. Funny to read how everyone thinks ECU is a joke of a school, but you beg me to rebuild your knee, shoulder or hand.
OrthoMD,
Just because you have a medical program does not automatically make the general education at ECU superior or respectable, nor does it does it erase the fact the quality of undergraduate enrollees is below average compared to other NC universities. Every school has a specialty separating themselves from the others; such as NCS’s Engineering or UNC-W’s Marine Biology and they didn’t have NC politicians get it for them.
I have friends that have attended ECU medical’s school and I have much respect for it, but since you are implying ECU is superior due to its medical program, let’s see how it ranks to other medical programs:
ECU is the ranked #4 out of 4 medical programs in North Carolina.
MCAT Ranking: 108 out of 126
NIH Ranking: 117 out of 126
Mixed Ranking: 116 out of 126
I hope ECU never raises its standards for admittance. It gives people an opportunity to actually make something of themselves who may have not done so well in high school. And although most of them do not come back for a second year, they do get an opportunity rather than them working at a minimum wage job and on welfare. Also ECU does not use the bell curve like most other colleges in the UNC system to boost their academic numbers. And also how do admissions standards compute to quality of academics?
From 2006 to 2008, ECU’s nursing graduates had a first-time pass rate on the NCLEX National Council Licensure Examination of 96% compared to a national rate of 87%. For 2006-2007, 98% of ECU’s graduates in elementary education passed the specialty area exam. Other data on licensure indicates that ECU is achieving its education mission. On the 2007 CPA exam, ECU students with a graduate degree were tied for 16th in the country for exam pass rate.
http://www.ecu.edu/cs-acad/sacs/FedReq4-1.cfm
Sorry, pass rates for licensing is not a good indicator. For instance, ECU’s Accountancy program is not well respected. It’s actually at the bottom of programs in the state. UNC and Wake are the preferred schools. The secondary programs are App., NCS, and UNC-W. The third tier is ECU, UNCG, and UNCC. The gaps between tiers are very large. The reason ECU is not respected in accounting is because they teach to the exam, instead of teaching students to be well rounded and to the criteria suggested by accounting firms.
Look, we can go at this all day, but each school can tout some statistic evidencing their student’s success. The problem is this is a general discussion and generally speaking, ECU does not meet academic standards set by the ACC. I can’t imagine the ACC allowing a school that is considered a back-up plan for students applying to UNC-W.
Funny thing is...Given some time; all of YA;the ACC;SEC;BIG EAST & So on....will remember the day the 49ers got a team!! SPIRALING downfall to you foes!! C Ya!free-falling!!!
It's funny how when presented with some stats that shine some possitve light on ECU, then, oh well that doesn't count. How do you know which school teaches to the test in whatever field?
This is what I know. ECU has a mission of being very liberal in their admission policy. Yes it means some students end up their that could not get in other more selective places. If it makes you feel better about yourshelf to make fun of them...well thats your problem. However, I also know the Trusties recently raised admission standards to curb the growth rate.
My daughters best friend this year applied to APP. State, Charlotte, UNC-W, State and ECU. She received admission to APP., Charlotte and UNC-W right away. Wait listed at State and ECU. She fianally was admitted to ECU the first week in May where she will attend to become a teacher. Read into that what you want.
No one laughs when they find out that the eight largest bank in america that also has the strongest financial balance sheet in the country has a CEO that is an ECU grad. This same bank has a staff made of many ECU grads.
As a businessman myself, I see many successful ECU grads everywhere along with the other schools.
For the record, my oldest daughter is econmist UNC grad, middle daughter is outstanding teacher from ECU and the third daughter is headed to State this fall for business.
For the life of me, I have never understood the venom some people have for ECU. As a big fan of college FB, ECU definately has the best venue in this state.
In this case...Go Pirates.
lol wait listed at ECU but admitted to 3 far superior schools, thats funny. nice try ecu guy, nobody is buying that garbage for a second.
Those who attend ECU have many proud, grand careers they can expect to enjoy. They can be classy janitors, or cashiers with dignity.
I think it is funny that several of the posters who attack ECU's academic credibility cannot properly distinguish when to use the word "then" and the word "than" in their sentences. Let me help you out. If I can properly use those two words, then I am smarter than you.
I'm sure you are really smart. I know many smart people who attend crap schools that admit the trash of society. Oh wait no I don't. If you go to ECU you are not smart.
http://www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/us_hh_by_dma.asp
ECU ranks #103.
How is it that we have steadily heard the "you don't have a decent TV market" crap when little old East Carolina ranks above....
Lincoln, NE #105
Tallahassee, FL #106
Lansing, MI #115
Eugene, OR #119
Columbia, MO #137
Lubbock, TX #143
Gainesville, FL #160
Charlottesville, VA #183
We're also within 100,000 of these schools....
Syracuse, NY #83
Champaign, Il #84
Madison, Wi #85
Chattanooga, TN #86
Baton Rouge, LA #95
Fayetteville, AR #100
I don't have the data, but ECU's apparel sells are in the top 30 in the nation. I know a lot of people in here don't believe it, but ECU does have a large national following. Go to ESPN and look at the ECU national rankings I think you will be shocked. ECU's ESPN rankings on football far exceed any other North Carolina college.
The ECU and WVU game on ESPN 360 last year was the highest ranked/viewed game ever.
ECU sold out every home game last year. The conference championship game was not because the students were out for Thanksgiving and it was raining. Also, ECU has the 3rd highest game attendance for a non BCS school in the nation. ECU has a game atmosphere second to non. Our new end zone seating is almost finished and we will be 50,000 strong and if all the home games sellout this year we have plans to expand to 62,000 with the south side upper deck.
Out of 34 bowl games ECU's was ranked 14th UNC's was 13th. We were above all other NC schools.
ECU has a school of Medicine, school of denistery and a school of engineering we are also the 2nd largest school in North Carolina... not worthy please!
All the people on here that want to talk ECU down are so afraid of what ECU will be when we get into a BCS conference and they should be very afraid. Look at what ECU has accomplished not being in a BCS conference and we are still growing whether you like it or not.
Oh yes, lets not forget we will have the 17 largest scoreboard in the nation this year and largest in North Carolina! It's gonna be a think of beauty.
" . . .crap schools that admit the trash of society. Oh wait no I don't. If you go to ECU you are not smart."
So if one goes to a certain school, then one is automatically labeled trash? Wow, your vocabulary and logic are nearly as impressive as your snobbery and ignorance.
^ Yes that is exactly what I am saying. If you are in a mental institution, chances are you are crazy. If you are in prison, chances are you are a criminal. If you are a student at a school that admits weak students who are not smart enough to get into a decent school, chances are you are a weak student who is not smart enough to get in a decent school. I'm sorry that I speak the truth. So you can sit in your backwoods swamp of a craphole that is ECU and the city of Greenville and continue to dream about the SEC and ACC all you want. It's not going to happen
So this means that Kay Yow was stupid, Vince McMahon is an idiot and Sandra Bullock is a retard because they all attended ECU?
Hey there are exceptions to the rule. There might be a few sane people in a mental institution, or a few innocent people in a prison. I'm sure everybody who has ever attended ECU would like to think they are the exception to the rule, but that is simply not the case. ECU is an inferior school for inferior students.
All of you NCSU and UNC fans/students are so damn pretentious. The fact of the matter is, college is all about what you make of it. Going to ECU was the best decision that I have ever made because I used the resources that it gave me.
ECU has given me the opportunity to get an on campus internship with IBM because of the amazing relationship it has with the power house corporation. Also I am currently at an internship this summer at the NASA Langley Center alongside students from MIT, Duke, Princeton, and many other top universities (last list that I saw had no students from NCSU or UNC). ECU gave me this amazing opportunity by having a NASA spokesmen come onto campus and gave a presentation.
I am not trying to say ECU is far superior or better at all then NCSU or UNC. I am just enlightening you to the fact that just because you go to those universities, it does not make you, as an individual, superior to anyone else in any way.
All I see there is "blah blah blah durrrrr I'm an ECU boy durrrrr I'm so smart cause into a school for idiots durrrrrr"
Yup, you caught me. Nice one kid. Have fun with your 2.8 at UNC or wherever you are, meanwhile ill be more then happy to be at ECU with two of the best internships in my field.
Good Game
Being an ECU graduate, that graduated in the top 25% of my high school graduating class, with a 3.78 GPA and a 1480 on the SATs, I would like to say that ECU is not full of idiots. I had the opportunity to go to WVU, Penn State, Temple, UNC-W, and University of Maryland and chose ECU.
Now I don't understand how a conversation about football, which I believe is one of the greatest parts of ECU has anything to do with SAT scores and admission rates. but I would like to point out that ECU is also a lot of the schools you are trying to compare it to such as UNC-W, which gives it a larger range of GPA's and SAT scores.
People can write whatever they want about ECU but it is a great school, with a great football team, and a lot of school spirit. I don't really know what ECU did to make it hated so much so that an ignorant person (I would really like to know where you graduated from that made you so pretentious) would say such coldhearted things, but it doesn't really matter.
One thing is certain in the business world they say any press and good press, and the fact that ECU can generate this much conversation ( both good and bad) shows how much passion people have for the school.
LOL "larger range of GPA and SAT scores".
Check out the stats for the kids in the bottom 25th percentile of the UNCW class. They are about even with the kids in the 75th percentile of the ECU class. You can try to convince yourself otherwise, but the simple fact is, outside of the absolute top kids at ECU (aka the ones there on scholarships), the student body as a whole is a trash, they are inferior to the students at almost every other UNC school, and they are destined to be lower class scum
ECU LOL. The true trash of the NC system, where farmers and janitors and factory workers go for a semester before they realize their destiny in life.
I guess the ECU supporters have nothing left to say. They probably had their internet turned off because they were not making enough money at their jobs as toilet bowl cleaners and fry cooks. Greenville is a swamp from hell and it is where those morons deserve to be.
Wow, such hate!! For someone who hates ECU so much you sure like talking about us. Actually the real ECU fans realize that continuing to argue with an idiot like yourself is a true waste of time.
I have a few new slogans for EZU
ECU, where STDs are born and where the dreams of the ignorant and foolish are crushed!
ECU, we go to school in a ghetto swamp town, and its still too good for a school as weak as ours!
ECU, where the bottom of the barrel can pretend to get an education too!
rofl
you all have forgotten one major factor here.... skip isnt around anymore. ecu won 3 out of its last 25 games before skip took over and righted the ship. this new guy (whoever the hell he is) has got to prove he can take the program farther then skip did or its cusa to stay. also greenville has a decent football following for the same reason every small town high school in texas does... THERES NOTHING ELSE TO DO THERE
ecu's new coach has more heart and sincerity in his left big toe than all the coaches in the acc combined. he's a great man who cares about his players, and wants them to succeed on and off the field. his name is ruffin mcneil, and hes mike leach's former d cordinator from texas tech, and he is also ecu alum. terry holland and ruffin mcneil, in combination with the other coaches will find our bcs destination. until then we welcome any non conference challenges, and the scores will speak for themselves. ecu has undoubtedly the best atmosphere for football in the state. ecu is and has been on the rise, we do more with less. if you want to see a real fan base come over to dowdy. leave your academic stats in your moms basement, and get ready to watch dwayne harris show you how its done pirate style.
and if your questioning our atmosphere check with pat white , and case keenum..........
and btw try to sell out a stadium with short notice on venue location....and it was raining and cold, lots of fans remained at home who had purchased tickets...the rest of us....well you saw us on the field after the game "sharing" the championship with the team and coaches, and accepting our liberty bowl invitation.....believe it
I was just looking at some football sites and came across this dialog which had some extremely negative talk about ECU as a school, as a football team and Greenville as a town. As an ECU alum, I was one of those "Trash" students that attended without an academic scholarship. Seems that a lot of the negative comments about ECU students are based on their High school records which do not automatically translate to college level achievement. I did not become a cook or a janitor but I did go into a career that few can qualify to do. In fact, I once saw a statistic (since you seem to be set on stats) that only 3% of the population today even qualify to do based on physical, mental and attitude. I spent 22 years in the military as an Attack/Recon Helicopter pilot, and I did it as an ECU graduate....wow, go figure! ECU will always have detractors (the guy in this blog seems to have some personal issues that may require professional help and medication...maybe he can see an ECU doctor). ECU is not Ivy League but as far as State public universities go, it's a fine school, period. As far as its football program is concern. It is the most exciting in the state. Maybe it's because we are fighting for respect and the opportunity to move to another conference but I love being a Pirate. As far as just having a local following...I have season tickets and travel from Maryland to cheer them on and I got my ECU camp chair at a Wal-Mart in Maryland, not Greenville. All said, I'm fine with ECU being in C-USA and realize that there is no chance that ECU will go to the ACC. There are already 4 NC schools in the ACC. Big East is a Northeast conf and I would rather see ECU go Independent like BYU before taking an invite to a Northeast conference that may lose its BCS auto rating in the near future anyway. As far as the SEC is concern, I can see a fit for ECU geographically and Spirit and it would give the SEC a nitch into a state and region that is dominated by the ACC. ECU should have won the Liberty Bowl last year against Arkansas but bad mojo caused ECU's all time leading scorer to miss three field goal attempts in overtime against that SEC team...still, an exciting game as usual for ECU football. How about this years opener against Tulsa? starting the season off with ESPN exciting game ending tape shown nationally all day long.
I was just looking at some football sites and came across this dialog which had some extremely negative talk about ECU as a school, as a football team and Greenville as a town. As an ECU alum, I was one of those "Trash" students that attended without an academic scholarship. Seems that a lot of the negative comments about ECU students are based on their High school records which do not automatically translate to college level achievement. I did not become a cook or a janitor but I did go into a career that few can qualify to do. In fact, I once saw a statistic (since you seem to be set on stats) that only 3% of the population today even qualify to do based on physical, mental and attitude. I spent 22 years in the military as an Attack/Recon Helicopter pilot, and I did it as an ECU graduate....wow, go figure! ECU will always have detractors (the guy in this blog seems to have some personal issues that may require professional help and medication...maybe he can see an ECU doctor). ECU is not Ivy League but as far as State public universities go, it's a fine school, period. As far as its football program is concern. It is the most exciting in the state. Maybe it's because we are fighting for respect and the opportunity to move to another conference but I love being a Pirate. As far as just having a local following...I have season tickets and travel from Maryland to cheer them on and I got my ECU camp chair at a Wal-Mart in Maryland, not Greenville. All said, I'm fine with ECU being in C-USA and realize that there is no chance that ECU will go to the ACC. There are already 4 NC schools in the ACC. Big East is a Northeast conf and I would rather see ECU go Independent like BYU before taking an invite to a Northeast conference that may lose its BCS auto rating in the near future anyway. As far as the SEC is concern, I can see a fit for ECU geographically and Spirit and it would give the SEC a nitch into a state and region that is dominated by the ACC. ECU should have won the Liberty Bowl last year against Arkansas but bad mojo caused ECU's all time leading scorer to miss three field goal attempts in overtime against that SEC team...still, an exciting game as usual for ECU football. How about this years opener against Tulsa? starting the season off with ESPN exciting game ending tape shown nationally all day long.
The bottom line is this, we(ECU) had Kentucky and Arkansas in the bag and let them both of the hook. Anybody who knows football knows ECU can play in ANY CONFERENCE has beaten ALL the ACC teams except Florida State and Clemson(never Played) and has beaten South Carolina, Illionis, Missouri, etc etc. Most teams won't schedule ECU. ECU beat Boise state 3 years ago in Hawaii. Please fools, quit kidding yourselves and watch CBS college sports on Saturday. PRIME TIME FOOTBALL at 12:00 noon. If Notre Dame, Indiana, Ohio State etc had any balls, they would play the Pirates, but they won't, you know why? ARGGGGGGGGGG!
What amazes me, are all of the posters who presume to know all about ECU who actually know very little. Those who talk down ECU haven't a clue about the University, their sports programs, or their actual demographic saturation.
With 28,000 undergrads, a rabid fan base, a long tradition of winning, and a sold out stadium for every game, ECU would offer quite an opportunity for the Big East or SEC to secure a sizable portion of the NC market and give the ACC a run for their money in their own back yard.
If you are gonna talk down ECU, at least do your homework and try to deliver factual information rather than your personal bias.
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Can't believe all the criticism about ECU academics. East Carolina was one of five colleges I attended. Academic scholarship at Lyncburg College, attended Harvard as well. Again, in my mind college is college. Some schools give a student a chance like Louisburg College and others. If I remember correctly, back in the day a high school student only needed an SAT score of 850 to get into USC in Columbia. I do think ECU fits better in SEC than they do BE.
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